Saturday, May 1, 2010

Questions, questions, questions.

Another new batch of questions, I'm not so much looking for answers this time, because I really haven't worked on these, but it's amazing how one conversation on local history can produce so many questions as it moves forward.

At Tuesday night's meeting of the Dorcheat Historical Association Board the question came up if we had a photo of one of the actual steamboats that were used on Bayou Dorcheat during the roughly 75 years of the local steamboat era. Most people associate the word steamboat with images of the massive ornate boats like those used by modern-day casinos or in the movies. The reality is that the packet boats that frequented streams like Dorcheat were much smaller, simply because of the shallow draft necessary to travel in such streams, and not nearly so attractive. While so far as I know there is not an existing image of a boat that definitely was used on Dorcheat, there are images of similar boats. In fact Eric Brock and Gary Joiner compiled a photo book on Red River Steamboats for Arcadia Press a few years ago. It is no longer in print, but I'm sure Gary still has access to the images. So, that question is answered; however, it led to so many others.

The discussion turned to steamboat wrecks on Dorcheat and if any are still visible at times, like now, of low water. We know there was one wreck in the area of the old Highway 80 bridge on Dorcheat, extremely visible as late as the 1940s. The general consensus of those involved in the discussion -- Richard Campbell whose mother saved so much Webster Parish history and Larry Milford, who grew up in the McIntyre Community -- was that some of the remains of that wreck are still visible, just south of the "new" Highway 80 bridge. Moving on, we talked about another group of wood debris visible just south of the Interstate 20 bridge over the Bayou. We were not so sure about that one, Richard, who has much more experience with the Bayou than I, thinks that is merely tree stumps.

That led to another interesting discussion about an old bridge that formerly crossed Bayou Dorcheat. In the years prior to the digging of the bar pits and the creation of the Louisiana Ordnance Plant there was another road that ran in the area south of the Interstate and north of Highway 164 that bridged Bayou Dorcheat. I've heard about this for years, but have not yet found a map that indicates where the road started and where it ended, but the bridge is long gone.

That idea turned us to a discussion of the Overton Cemetery and the sad destruction of so much of the cemetery over the last 50+ years. The interesting question raised was one I had never fully considered. We know where the cemetery is located, but where was the town in relation to the cemetery? Clearly it sat on the Bayou, but north or south of the cemetery? My educated guess would be south, as if it were located much north of the cemetery it would leave very little room for the old Middle Landing on Dorcheat. Overton was the lower landing, then there was the middle landing which stood at the terminus of the extended route of today's Middle Landing Street, and finally the upper landing at Murrell's Point, which was on the east bank of Dorcheat at approximately the site of the "old" Highway 80 bridge. (Of course another question is precisely where was that landing?)

So, it is pretty amazing to see so many historical questions arise out of a casual conversation. Just another reminder of how much history there remains to learn. (Which is a wonderful job assurance for a history teacher . . . .)

8 comments:

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  2. John,

    I thought there was a photo of a steamboat on Dorcheat in your ancestor's book "Thoughts visions, etc." Rita Moore Krause's article on steamboating in NLHA journal has a drawing of a steam packet on Dorcheat. I think she references material compiled by Dewey Somdal of Shreveport. I think his materials are housed in the archives of LSU-Shreveport but I have not seen them. There is information about steamboat wrecks in the centennial commemorative newspaper publication of the Press Herald. I think the boiler of one of the boats ended up somewhere near Beech Springs Church. There is also a lot of info about steamboats on the LakeBistineau website under the lake history section. I'm interested in this subject as well. I think Rita's article gave a list of the names of the boats that travelled Dorcheat like the "Blue Wing", "Shamrock", "C.W. Howell" and the "Enterprise". I can't remember the boat that Cordelia Remmer's father piloted but I think you have it in your notes.

    Enjoy the blog. Keep up the great work!
    Webb

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  3. Thanks, Webb.

    You are correct about Beech Springs. The boiler from the boat wrecked just south of Highway 80 was taken to Beech Springs and used to power either a grist mill or a saw mill, I've forgotten which.

    I wasn't aware about Somdal's material including steamboats. I've seen the collection mentioned in the finding aids at Noel, but never looked at the details.

    I'm hopeful that Gary Joiner may publish something on Dorcheat. Last year he was working on a project involved in either a law suit or a government investigation and was mapping and marking all the old landing points. If it will become public that will be a great reference. I'd like to see us add that map to the museum and perhaps even to the large map/mural on the wall by the front door.

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  4. I used to know of a picture of a steamboat for carrying cotton bales down the darbonne creek near farmerville, if that would be of help, I will try to locate it again. Roads, sometimes my Garmin shows roads that don't exist and I have never known them to exist, yet some older than me say there used to be some there. Maybe you might get lucky with driving by with that. Or maybe google or msn maps may show where old roads used to be and they have updated them yet. And I will check with my dad tomorrow. Seems he used to have or still has a map of around here, not in your area, that shows old roads that don't exist anymore. Maybe that could be a source. If I find out anything, I will pass it on to you.

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  5. I appreciate it Darrell. I've got a 1936 Highway map on order from K. B. Slocum in Austin, I think it should show the road. As soon as the semester is over for us I plan on checking out the map collection at NSU for some of the other questions.

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  6. John,

    As for the road and Dorcheat crossing that you mentioned, have you checked the Webster Parish soil map that is in the upper drawer in the Webster Parish Library? I think it is from the early 1900's and has a lot of old roads on it that no longer exist. It would be worth a look.

    Thanks again for your great work.

    Webb

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  7. I checked with my parents today on the road. They remember the map and couldn't find it, but said they got it from the forestry service. As far as the steamboat, i still can't remember where i saw it. I do remember it was of one carrying cotton from the farmerville area down De Loutre to the Ouachita, like the one I found here. http://www.ouachitariver.org/steamboats.htm. Momma says they used to come all they way up to Corney from the Ouachita. Good Luck

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  8. She also told about a hotel that used to be located in Blanchard Springs, just north of Spearsville. People would come to drink water from the Springs for healing. She grew up in a community called Rum Center just north of there. I was told in the 30s you could count the number of stills by the smoke rising from them.

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